The Flash vs SEO Conundrum

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Ranking sites with a full Flash home page is one of the more difficult tasks in search engine optimization. I always try to steer clients away from it, but some insist. The content can be dropped below the fold, but this is not the most elegant method, and often the designer will object.

So what’s an SEO to do?

According to Wysz’s Popular Picks October 4 Google Group discussion on hidden text:

“When trying to figure out if a page may have hidden text that Google would consider malicious, start by thinking about why the guideline was written in the first place. Google wants to see what the user sees.” Seeing what Google sees

If:
Google wants to see what the user sees.

Then:
Why can’t text that appears in Flash be placed in a div tag without penalty, in the same manner as z-index, per today’s discussion at SEO Roundtable? The Blitz Agency does this, and blogs about it how successful they are, but I’m aware of sites that have been penalized for doing so.

To quote Wysz again:

“If we detect that this text is intended to deceive search engines, there could be a negative effect on how your site is indexed and ranked in Google, including removal from our index.”

Fair enough. Again, I am talking about identical content to that which is in the Flash presentation.

Wysz one more time:

“When trying to figure out if a page may have hidden text that Google would consider malicious, start by thinking about why the guideline was written in the first place: Google wants to see what the user sees. If the text that Google sees is the same that a normal user is supposed to see, then you should be good to go. If Google is seeing text that is intentionally hidden from the user in an effort to manipulate search engine rankings, you have some work to do.”

Therefore:

If my Flash movie contains content, and I place the same exact content in a div tag within my source code, Google should have no problem with it. This would be such an easy, elegant solution to the problem, and doesn’t constitute hidden content.

However:

Without Google’s blessing, who wants to take the chance of getting their own or client sites penalized or banned for hidden content?

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5 Comments

  1. Posted November 15, 2007 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Great point Kay! Say your comment on SEO Roundtable, and I think Ill start reading some of your blog posts. Flash is such a hairy beauty ain’t she!

  2. Posted November 15, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for stopping by my blog, Erika. You’re certainly right about Flash!

  3. Posted March 17, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I guess that is the million dollar question, which can only really be answered by testing it with non-client sites that don’t matter then reporting it back here to share with us all!

    Maybe those A/B testers at Seomoz could test this for us!

    KRONiS

  4. Posted April 4, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    I agree with your thinking, that if Google wants to see what the user sees, then duplicate content in should not be penalized. BUT, Google’s bots have no way of knowing whether that hidden content is valid (the same as shown in the Flash) or not. They’re certainly not going to take our word for it… they know what we know… that if they give us the benefit of the doubt, pretty soon SE spammers would be out there embedding Flash movies of porn with Check out these great silver-plated teaspoons! Full Flash, bad. Flash/HTML CSS-driven hybrid, beautiful!

  5. Posted April 19, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    You have provide such an important information in such a decent way that make sense for every one. I really appreciate explanation of important points like Google see the page as searcher do.

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